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I have a simple desire to wait until market close, get the updated daily indicators based on the closing price, and seek to buy in after hours trading. I have created the attached project with only RSI to illustrate my issues.
- Daily Indicators Update @ 4AM the following day? - When using the helper function RSI(), the indicator doesn't seem to update at 4pm on market close... Or at any time later in after hours trading (even though I have enabled extended hours trading data at the second resolution when adding my security). Instead, it updates at 4am the following morning. I want to trade in the AH market with the indicator updated based on the closing price. Am I doing something wrong or is this how it works?
- In extended market hours I have proven that my OnData function appears to be called randomly after 4pm rather than every second. Take a look at some data below from a similar project to the attached that was restricted to outputting a log message at the first available opportunity after 4pm. Even though the security data resoluion was set to second, the first execution of the loop return varied from 16:00:05 all the way to 16:11:00. Is there an explanation for this? I would expect every trading day where data was being fed to OnData to trigger within a second of the same time (ie. 16:00:05 or 16:00:06). Having an apparent random variance of up to 11 minutes on second data is a significant incongruity. Interestingly the apparently random times remained consistent when backtesting different overlapping date ranges. (See brief log output data showing these results posted below).
- After Hours Orders - I had quite a bit of trouble with after market hours orders and I would like to understand how to place them so they can execute effectively. At first, my orders were being queued but never filled. I guessed it must be my brokerage model, so I set that to default. Then I started executing limit orders quite far outside what I understood the current aftermarket price to be. Sometimes these orders would execute, but other times they would not. If I am trading a very liquid security / ETF such as XIV, what is the best way to me to effectively place a buy order in After Market hours at the "current" price?
Please note that I am using Resolution.Second data with after hours data enabled.
Log output testing AH first OnData() call issue. The first available OnData() execution cycle after 4:00pm market close appears to be random. Additionally you can see the RSI update varies up to 2 hours from 4am - 6am every morning. I don't understand why. Please help! Thanks in advance. =)
2016-03-01 00:00:00 Launching analysis for b592bfb6498af4ca953757aa4eb5c4c7 with LEAN Engine v2.3.0.2.1318 2016-02-29 04:00:01 Algorithm warming up... 2016-03-01 00:00:00 Algorithm finished warming up. 2016-03-01 06:01:32 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-01 16:11:01 Time: 03/01/2016 16:11:00 2016-03-02 04:00:01 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-02 16:00:40 Time: 03/02/2016 16:00:39 2016-03-03 04:00:01 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-03 16:05:17 Time: 03/03/2016 16:05:16 2016-03-04 04:00:01 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-04 16:00:20 Time: 03/04/2016 16:00:19 2016-03-07 04:00:01 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-07 16:00:44 Time: 03/07/2016 16:00:43 2016-03-08 06:03:24 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-08 16:02:20 Time: 03/08/2016 16:02:19 2016-03-09 05:00:27 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-09 16:02:30 Time: 03/09/2016 16:02:29 2016-03-10 04:07:37 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-10 16:03:56 Time: 03/10/2016 16:03:55 2016-03-11 05:13:10 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-11 16:02:56 Time: 03/11/2016 16:02:55 2016-03-14 04:25:40 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-14 16:03:14 Time: 03/14/2016 16:03:13 2016-03-15 06:46:34 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-15 16:01:02 Time: 03/15/2016 16:01:01 2016-03-16 05:06:20 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-16 16:00:39 Time: 03/16/2016 16:00:38 2016-03-17 04:00:01 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-17 16:00:11 Time: 03/17/2016 16:00:10 2016-03-18 04:08:23 OnRSIUpdate() 2016-03-18 16:00:06 Time: 03/18/2016 16:00:05 2016-03-19 00:00:00 Algorithm Id:(b592bfb6498af4ca953757aa4eb5c4c7) completed in 9.46 seconds at 39k data points per second. Processing total of 367,160 data points.
Alexandre Catarino
In backtest mode, the algorithm can only determine a day change when it process a tick/bar with a new/different date. The first data in a given day is normally at 4 am.
After market is closes and enters extended hours, liquidity drops and we stop having enough data to call OnData every second (or minute). If we want a steady flow of data, we can subscribe to it with the fillforward parameter set to true:
var targetSecurity = AddSecurity(SecurityType.Equity, _symbol, Resolution.Second, true, // Fill Data Forward true); // Extended Market HoursMarket orders are not filled when the market is closed. They are converted into MarketOnOpenOrder. In this case, we need to rely on limit orders.
Chris Martin
Is there any way I can get the latest value for a daily indicator at the market close so I can trade on that data in the after market hours? I suppose I could avoid using the RSI helper function mentioned above, but then I would be completely responsible for feeding the indicators myself at the prescribed time.
Chris Martin
I simply want to get the computed daily indicator for RSI at market close. The Update method of the RelativeStrenghIndex class simply don't allow this. The Update function requires an IndicatorDataPoint and I don't see how to create the type it needs to update at the EOD. I have multiple indicators I would like to do this with. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
JayJayD
Hey Chris,
You can have total control of the data input to any indicator y using the Update method. And, if you want to update an indicator in a certain time, you can use Schedule events.
Update and indicator with an IndicatorDataPoint is as easy as:
_insicator.Update(new IndicatorDataPoint { Time = Time, Value = Securities[symbol].Price });Check this simple example, the RSI is updated randomly and every day at 16:00.
Is this what are you looking for?
Chris Martin
I appreciate your effort here.
Updating the indicator is what I wanted, but I much preferred relying on the helper function to initiate a dependable daily update to ensure my indicator was daily resolution. I understand it is possible to manage on my own. Looking at the source of IndicatorBase.cs, I can see that there is no protection to ensure a particular resolution for an indicator. If update is called more than once in an indicator that I intend to have a daily resolution, it would distort my value. For now I'm going to rely on the daily indicator to update a day behind as it is coded, then pull the actual calculation code out of RelativeStrengthIndex.cs and produce my own value for RSI at any point in the day without worry of corrupting the base indicator.
Ray Bohac
I'm doing something similar to JayJayD's example above to track 52 week high/low. I track the stocks at a lower resolution but use a daily consolidator to update the indicators to my liking. Example included also shows how to do a warmup.
This example comes from a helper class that I wrote formyself where I only track 1 symbol per instance. You could do something similar, or with slight modifications use Dictionaries or Lists to track mulptiple symbols in a single class.
// Setting it up var dailyConsolidator = new TradeBarConsolidator(TimeSpan.FromDays(1)); dailyConsolidator.DataConsolidated += OnDataDaily; SubscriptionManager.AddConsolidator(_symbol, dailyConsolidator); // Warmup var bars = _algorithm.History(_symbol, 365, Resolution.Daily); foreach (var bar in bars) { _52WeekLow.Update(new IndicatorDataPoint(bar.Time, bar.Low)); _52WeekHigh.Update(new IndicatorDataPoint(bar.Time, bar.High)); } // Updating the indicators private void OnDataDaily(object sender, TradeBar consolidated) { _52WeekHigh.Update(consolidated.Time, consolidated.High); _52WeekLow.Update(consolidated.Time, consolidated.Low); } // using it if ((_52WeekHigh.IsReady) && if (_52WeekLow.IsReady)) Debug(String.Format("52 Week Low: {0:0.00} High: {1:0.00}", _52WeekLow.Current.Value, _52WeekHigh.Current.Value));Chris Martin
Ray,
Very informative warmup routine there. Nicely done. I'll be putting that to use as soon as I can get my daily indicator updates completed. I have the RSI updating now. I'm going to post elsewhere about updating the Stochastic Indicator. Stochastic.Update() requires an iBaseDataBar as the input rather than a simple IndicatorDataPoint. Unfortunately iBaseDataBar is an interface so you can't just instantiate and object inline like you can with the class IndicatorDataPoint. I understand that the Stochastic wasn't the HILO information and I wager it's somehwere in the Security data. I just can't find it.
Chris Martin
For the benefit of anyone readying through this thread in the future, the Stochastic.Update() can take the TradeBar object you can pull from the TradeBars array you receive in your OnData function. I throught I attempted this on my first try but received the compiler error about the iBaseDataBar interface... I went on a long, unecessary journey through the source code. Hopefully I am better for it.
Jared Broad
" I went on a long, unecessary journey through the source code" :D Sorry Chris, we're working on making this easier. We made the co-pilot recently and will update it to suggest the right input here.
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